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Briana

Absolutely amazing. All this information helped me put together a wonderful cause and effect essay for my class. Thank you so much!!! My mom is one of the few major business women these days to proudly represent the hippie movement still to this day. It's so great to hear that the spirit is still all around us. Thanks again...

PEACE

BridgetAnjellla


Feliz ano nuevo

Sarah

Thank you so much for this wonderful information on hippies. It provided perfect facts, funny, educational, and interesting. I'm writing a speech about hippies, and this blog was so, so helpful. Thanks again! :]

Carson Dugal

I hope you may see as I do a new movement underway that may help restore a little justice in the world. Well, put a stop to some of the lawlessness anyway.

"It will either be them that join us in obeying the law or us the join in the lawlessness. How else will we be able to compete."

This is a post of mine from the Save Our State message boards.

http://saveourstate.org/vforums/showthread.php?p=221823#post221823


They never left. They are all around us. Maybe even a little, in us!


It was the same thing during the Viet Nam war era. The media kept telling us everyone believed what they wanted us to believe, we believed, I believe.

Well something like that.

People went around for a while thinking they were alone.

People slowly started waking up to find we all didn't think alike like they said.

For me it started with the Beatles and I happened to be about that age when that sort of independence happens anyway, I suppose. For a moment after they came to America we had two camps. People either liked them or didn't. A trivial thing but the division was taken fairly seriously at the time. Some let their freak flag fly by growing their hair. People were expressing themselves about other things also. Some not so trivial. One was the war.

Like I said earlier many of us felt alone at the time. Not anymore! We had new allies on many topics. One that seemed pretty important was whether going to Viet Nam was really high on your list. The war never did draw enough people that really wanted to volunteer to go that I remember. Many did not feel comfortable volunteering others to go.

Any way to make a long story short we started getting together and sharing with each other how we felt on many things. The media no longer controlled our minds.

We had a whole new world full of friends and started having more fun with each other. We also grew a new respect for each other that has never died.

Arlo Guthrie and his song and movie Alice’s Restaurant brought many of us together to help us face some of the reality we had to face at the time.

Some say the happenings of the sixties were a mistake. As we look back some of it may appear wrong but it felt right at the time and life can be like that. Everything that happened may have not been important in itself but it was part of the whole. Hopefully we learn from the past but it did take all of it and everyone doing their thing to get us where we are today! Many of us still haven't lost our faith we found in each other.

People are again coming together. It's not all going to be easy.

It sure can be a beautiful thing to behold.


Carson

http://phillips.blogs.com/goc/2006/01/hippy_history.html

Odilon Ross

A lack of context, and a great deal of vanity, go into any valuation of "how I contributed to history". The article suffers from such, but overcomes the error in seeking to locate threads of connections, sorta like a hippy James Burke, of 'Connections' and 'The Day the Universe Changed' fame. After everyone from that generation are dead, meaning, there will be no more advocates with their identities at stake, the products and behavior wrapped in hippie clothing maybe selling for quite a lot of money on ebay, or other auction sites, but it will look altogether like many, many other movements in history. I hesitate to say it, but Ronald Reagan's culture, that successfully ended the cold war, will loom larger.
The hippie culture, mostly a visual/media archive now, can be taken as a somewhat aggresive promotion of alternative lifestyles, but a little knowledge of history goes a along way in putting in with other alternative lifestyle cultures. Rich people can afford to have an alternative lifestyle, and just because a lot of Americans (their families)got rich and were enriched in the fifties doesn't mean they are responsible for making more real the values of freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in contrast to any other generation.
Again, I make it sound like vanity, but it is more than vanity. But Peaceful Gatherings are central value in all, all, all religous communities. One hears the common arguement that "those guys (meaning the religous folks)are responsible for more violence...." etc., but in fact, a great deal of violence is associated with the hippies as well. Imagine if the hippies became mainstream, and everyone tuned in, dropped out, and turned on? Civil War.
Drugs are fun, for awhile, but tuning out, dropping in, and turning off gets co-opted by business folks inevitably.
If you want to expand your mind and think you belong to something special in History, become a scholar, not a drug user. I'll take James Burke, the stuffy high brow from Oxford, over Whatever it is the hippies are now trying to sell.

M. Phillips

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Mary

This is a great blog! Never though I would find something like this :)

But I have to know just one thing:
Have you used any fonts? Any bibliography? If yes, could you please let me know which one?

Thank you very much

i luv ur site!!! the pics r awesome and the info is great!!

Stacey.

This has really helped me for my corsework. It covers everything i needed to know for my 'hippy' research.
Thanks Stacey.

Warwick Rowell

I scanned your head article and would comment on three matters:

Stewart Brand admitted in “How Building Learn” that Geodesic domes did not work.

Dry composting toilets do work. We have been using one type for ten years, and it is going very well. The secret is minimal air inlet anywhere else but the seat, and maximum air outlet. The Rotaloo technology is simple, and achieves the best trade-off of volume for heat mass to ensure composting versus small containers for ease of handling. To empty and clean ours after three years of collection took three hours..

We have seven other varieties of commercially available DCTs on Rosneath Farm, and one home made job, using wheelybins.

I agree that that era made a huge contribution to the present, and frequently see the stages of cultural advance proposed by Fred Emery many years ago: the dominant system ignores, ridicules, indulges, subverts, opposes, then coopts the emerging system. And then in turn on to the next “cultural icon”. A key thing is for those who have made the paradigm shift (see Appendix four of The Production of Houses, Chris Alexander et al) to support those acting in the areas you are not acting in.

Warwick Rowell
Rosneath Farm Ecovillage
www.rosneath.com.au

eskimo bob

great website...i learned a lot of great material to help on my quest of complete and total hippiness...thank you for the assisstance of my journey

-with great admiration
Eskimo Bob

Ishmael

A couple of random thoughts from my bystander perspective:

(1) wasn't a great part of it "San Francisco values"--or at least Bay Area? In music and poetry (the beats, at least, as precursors--and people like Snyder and McClure), in Herb Caen inventing the name, in the Sexual Freedom League, in free music in the parks and free clothing boxes, in toplessness (love that photo!), in the availability of easy and shared drugs, etc. etc. It slopped over into the country's other cities, and down the Peninsula it morphed into the Bus and Stewart's nomadics, etc., and finally it penetrated the nation's suburbs and little enclaves in the countryside, but it seems to me that the initial inspiration or freeing-up impulse was something about San Francisco: the end of the line for so many aspects of traditional America. . . .

(2) Open marriage is still evolving, into polyfidelity or group marriage. (AIDS is of course important in everything sexual after about 1981)

(3) Employee ownership was not always o-management="democratic management". Bookpeople had an elected board that chose managers, who managed, and it survived longer than many businesses set up on "normal" lines. Oakland's Center for Employee Ownership is still active, I think, and a certain number of private firms go into employee ownership when the founders (sometimes once hippies) get ready to retire, e.g. Thomson-Shore printing co.

(4) Domes etc. People still like cob and other non-rectangular spaces, but they are hard to build, weatherproof, and maintain.

(5) Communal living is still with us (my Japanese piece ran in COMMUNITIES magazine, and there are probably more intentional communities in the US now than there ever were communies), but part of it has evolved into co-housing, where people share many things but have altogether private spaces too. (Interestingly enough, the ones that survive as co-housing rather than dissolving are the ones in which people eat together several times a week, perhaps because it makes a consensus process viable.)

(6) Food: I think maybe extensive travel to Europe by a lot of non-hippies (e.g. teachers, the original market segment for Trader Joe) was also important; we learned that way about good bread, decent coffee, and fresh seasonal food. Hippies were more into organic, vegetarian, and sometimes really dangerous things like macrobiotic diets.

(7) Home schooling is now mainly Christian. God, is Rasberry responsible????

phillip

love

Alice Stagg

Michael - You really outdid yourself on this one! It's a blog-gallery tribute.

And thank you for the conversations with Charlie!

--Alice

raines

I think we've learned from early experiments... under Communal Living and Housing, see: cohousing and intentional communities.

M. Phillips

My designation of “hippy,” in all cases comes from personal experience.

Joe and Gary, the fathers of mountain biking, joined the Briarpatch Network for consulting. The Briarpatch was a hippy business network that believed in open books, sharing resources with other businesses and doing a business that you love. So did Joe and Gary.

Hippies were a cross section of the middleclass, maybe with a higher than usual proportion of skilled, athletic and entrepreneurial members than the general population.

Food coops in America have a long history and flourished in the Grange period of the 1880’s. The explosion of food coops in the hippy era was unique in its depth and extent. It included dairies, bakeries, warehouses, distribution systems, manufacturing and the most extensive array of organic farms imaginable.

Clothing. I cited Linda Underhill, the woman who designed all of the innovative, light, watershedding-outdoor specialty wear for North Face and Sierra Designs as early as 1975.

Rachel Carson was not a hippy by any stretch of the imagination. I excluded the environmental movement in my essay, though hippies were the bulk of the early membership in that movement.

Sylvia Paull

I wouldn't call the inventors of mountain bikes, Joe Breeze and Gary Fisher, hippies in any sense of the word. They were athletes, skilled craftspersons, and businessmen.

Food coops were around long before the advent of hippies.

Rachel Carson, a seminal environmentalist, was not a hippie.

This article attributes many trends that preceded the hippies to the hippies and it misattributes a maverick lifestyle, such as those characterized by rock climbers Yvon Chounard and Royal Robbins, to hippydom when in fact they were athletes and again, later businesspeople.

Maybe the writer thinks Walt Whitman was also a hippie?

Old friend Charlie


I am impressed with Alice Stagg's comments -- some real insights there.

ALICE STAGG: "the power of this social movement to intoxicate groups into collective fantasies that in some cases generated real new things and in other cases didn’t hold up"

CHARLIE: Yep!

ALICE STAGG: "Look at how much we as a culture hate leaders and don’t support them, and how hard it is for executives to lead decisively. This is also part of an attack in our society against “patriarchy,” which could also be understood as the social function of masculine authority to protect, to guide, to have rules, to set boundaries, to make decisions, and to maintain hierarchy, etc. I really see fundamental self-doubt about the role of masculine authority beginning in the hippy era."

CHARLIE: I am not so sure about the "how hard it is for executives to lead decisively" -- I think that there is no leadership other than decisive leadership. Of course, it may be that the decisiveness is hidden, with the executive not wanting to appear as the key person. However, the rest of Alice's remarks feel very accurate to me.

ALICE STAGG: "I think the superhuman productivity ideal (fueled by caffeine) may have come from hippy optimism about self and collective actualization and innovation that business culture has been infused with, even in the more conservative industries. I also wonder about the connection to the “you can have it all” generation of women whose parents were hippies."

CHARLIE: Being of the male persuasion, I have always wondered what young women were talking about when they would explain (?) to me their desire, even their need, to "have it all"? Maybe now, thanks to Alice, I finally get it.

ALICE STAGG: "My parent’s community created a home school for all the kids from kindergarten through middle school, and this was one of the strongest examples of how they promoted and instilled their community values and expressed their disdain for mainstream education."

CHARLIE: Yes, that kind of thing was in some ways maybe the most astounding of all the "hippie" phenomena - although it was mostly almost invisible to the mainstream culture. And now look at it -- home schooling is a commonplace!

Alice Stagg

"Without a formal hierarchy, pre-established rules or an ideological cohesion, Americans can't live together in groups."

I think it might be worth saying more here about the power of this social movement to intoxicate groups into collective fantasies that in some cases generated real new things and in other cases didn’t hold up without greater mental distortions of reality that could be produced by ideological brainwashing or dictatorship, etc. It seems that hippy communities were prone to going fundamentalist and rigid about authority, and this is interesting considering how seeming counter to egalitarian hippy values that was. I think this was the underbelly of hippy communities, which is that many people were rebelling against rigid authority systems in a counter-dependent way. So, by not wanting to have clear authority structures and hierarchy, they were in some cases more dependent on bad examples of authority and power, and didn’t generate new more viable forms of authority. This is still impacting the world of business and politics today. Look at how much we as a culture hate leaders and don’t support them, and how hard it is for executives to lead decisively. This is also part of an attack in our society against “patriarchy,” which could also be understood as the social function of masculine authority to protect, to guide, to have rules, to set boundaries, to make decisions, and to maintain hierarchy, etc. I really see fundamental self-doubt about the role of masculine authority beginning in the hippy era.

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"It is possible to argue, with only a little evidence to support the thesis, that the high output of energy from cocaine became the norm for high tech and 80-hour-a-week workers, resulting in the national espresso craze that swept the country in the late 1980s and has lasted until today."

I think the superhuman productivity ideal (fueled by caffeine) may have come from hippy optimism about self and collective actualization and innovation that business culture has been infused with, even in the more conservative industries. I also wonder about the connection to the “you can have it all” generation of women whose parents were hippies.

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"...the home schooling movement... has steadily grown, often because of religious antagonism to public schooling, but it has grown nevertheless."

My parent’s community created a home school for all the kids from kindergarten through middle school, and this was one of the strongest examples of how they promoted and instilled their community values and expressed their disdain for mainstream education. I grew up Jewish, but went to Catholic high school because my parents’ community believed that Catholic high school had better community values. I don’t know if this meant a lack of diversity or less trouble for us to get into or a better education, but I’m not sure any of those were true.

Old friend Charlie

Michael,

This is more than a blog, it's a super-blog! Wonderful! Delightful!

And the foto-commentary is, like, scrumpchuss! (Hippie contribution to English spelling.) Especially the lead foto!

Thank you.

Scott

Dude, Yah that's all-right, but like did you for get the hippy contribution to, you know, grammer? Hello...skateboarding!!! And rock climbing was reinvented by hippies living in Yosemite valley. Before hippies climbing was done in itchy wool nickerbockers with a hammer and monster boots.

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